Moderator: Luke
Sundowner wrote:I cant see any 4cyl toyota tarago gear box that would be strong enough to haul 3 tons and cope with the 250 torque
FredTransit wrote:Going auto might be an option,
Rolo wrote:Sundowner wrote:I cant see any 4cyl toyota tarago gear box that would be strong enough to haul 3 tons and cope with the 250 torque
Funny you should mention that because that's exactly the warnings I heard when I asked about mounting a T5 and many mentioned that the gearbox out of a Toyota Celica would have been much better.
A Toyota HiAce is rated for 2.8 ton and I know a plumber in the street who normally loads a lot more than that on it and on holidays he pulls a 20' caravan.
24vtranny wrote:i have a mk1 l.w.b. 4.1. auto and i love it.
Rolo wrote:FredTransit wrote:Going auto might be an option,
Automatics are fantastic except that they:
cost more to buy; Compared to what?
a C4 is not a pricey as a t5
cost more to maintain;
C4 filter change every 50000km costs $14 for the filter and about $30 for the fluid, an LE97 4 speed from an ef el falc never requires a fluid change and appart from lubricating the shift linkage once a year it never requires a service, Service for the T5 is inspect every 12000km and fluids every 50000 it uses the same fluid as the auto so is only $14 cheaper to maintain
cost more to repair;
90% of auto problems are pressure related and is only a minor part that is worn eg: gasket, o ring or loose bolts in worst case the clutches or bands will go but this will take a very long time
Once a manual starts having problems its usally bearings or syncros and that usually requires fitting another box or a complete rebuild but the problem with the rebuild is if metal from the worn parts has been floating around in the box for some time you can be sure it would of worn the meshing faces of the gears and it will still be noisy
If your lucky a clutch will be the problem as these wear faster than anything in an auto but they're cheap to replace just requires pulling the engine or box
have a much more limited life than a manual;
depends whats its being used for , in any hi power application you can bet your balls that it will be an auto doing the shifting Why? because auto transmissions will cope with more power for longer, you can set up a C4 to take 800hp for half the price of a manual for the same job
To get a manual for extreme duty you usually need to go for aftermarket box like a liberty or a richmond and these boxes start at $5000
cost more on fuel;
true but its bugger all
cut down the top speed;
Nope not true, regardless of auto or manual if top gear is the same ratio top speed will be the same
rob power from the engine;
yes it will rob a little hp but it will give you extra torque and thats what counts
make engines overheat in hot weather;
Yes if its poorly set up, but if its fitted with the correct size trans cooler thats located in a good place it will never overheat
and to top it all they are a danger to their users and everybody else around them because far too drivers have been led to believe that "Automatic gearbox" means that they will actually change gears properly under all possible situations, which is why you see so many accidents "due to overheated brakes" in automatic vehicles (shouldn't they say; "due to automatic transmission"?), particularly in mountain roads.
But your aware of this so it shouldnt be a problem for you and obviously if you were to fit an auto youd fit an RV kit ($60) that will set the auto more for its duty this will allow you to manually down shift it and use the auto as opposed to your brakes to slow up
thats ok then cos i,m an 85 year old femaleRolo wrote:24vtranny wrote:i have a mk1 l.w.b. 4.1. auto and i love it.
Many people do, especially women and the elderly, but that doesn't answer any of the points I mentioned against them.
Sundowner wrote:
cost more to buy; Compared to what?
a C4 is not a pricey as a t5
an LE97 4 speed from an ef el falc never requires a fluid change and appart from lubricating the shift linkage once a year it never requires a service,
in worst case the clutches or bands will go but this will take a very long time
Once a manual starts having problems its usally bearings or syncros and that usually requires fitting another box or a complete rebuild
but the problem with the rebuild is if metal from the worn parts has been floating around in the box for some time you can be sure it would of worn the meshing faces of the gears and it will still be noisy
If your lucky a clutch will be the problem as these wear faster than anything in an auto
To get a manual for extreme duty you usually need to go for aftermarket box like a liberty or a richmond and these boxes start at $5000
cost more on fuel;
true but its bugger all
cut down the top speed;
Nope not true, regardless of auto or manual if top gear is the same ratio top speed will be the same
rob power from the engine;
yes it will rob a little hp
make engines overheat in hot weather;
Yes if its poorly set up, but if its fitted with the correct size trans cooler thats located in a good place it will never overheat
and to top it all they are a danger to their users and everybody else around them because far too drivers have been led to believe that "Automatic gearbox" means that they will actually change gears properly under all possible situations, which is why you see so many accidents "due to overheated brakes" in automatic vehicles (shouldn't they say; "due to automatic transmission"?), particularly in mountain roads.
But your aware of this so it shouldnt be a problem for you
Rolo wrote:
Far too many people who shouldn't be driving are doing so and puting other people's lives in danger, simply because automatic transmissions are available, and as soon as I become emperor I intend to do something about it.
24vtranny wrote:thats ok then cos i,m an 85 year old femaleRolo wrote:24vtranny wrote:i have a mk1 l.w.b. 4.1. auto and i love it.
Many people do, especially women and the elderly, but that doesn't answer any of the points I mentioned against them.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users
This site contains affiliate links for which we may be compensated.